What is an argument against the offside rule?

authorSubject: Offside regulationKarim


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30 Created January 20, 2018 8:06 PM (# 1)   Quote PN e-mail
A suggestion from me to reduce the sometimes exhausting to annoying offside discussions on the 7th field is to only apply the offside rule from 15 players. With fewer players (up to 7: 7), I consider the offside rule to be dispensable, as with few players on the pitch, in the interests of serving the team, nobody can afford to wait at the left post for the long pass.

Posts: 23 | Member since: December 2016 | IP address: not savedKlaus


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Created January 21, 2018 9:29 AM (# 2)   Quote PN e-mail
Karim, thank you for this objection and also for the compromise proposal.

Before everyone hastily throws their hat into the ring and makes a decision right away, I would like to discuss the arguments for and against a little.
It is not a good argument that "we have always done it this way", which I have overused at work. If even the DFB is capable of such a change because it is good for the game, then it would be frightening if we couldn't keep up and show ourselves to be even more resistant to reform than the club of old officials. So far so unobjective and polemical.

Now my factual argument: What do we prefer, that a few more goals fall (without offside) or that we continue to have unnecessary and annoying discussions about offside?
What is so bad when a few more are happy about goals scored?
That someone could wait in front of the goalkeeper and use the playing area better could be ok, the space is small enough to use the available space.

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Klaus

Posts: 33 | Member since: June 2017 | IP address: not savedMiguel


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Created January 21, 2018 2:24 PM (# 3)   Quote PN e-mail
Hello everyone, I also think that this has always been the case, would not be a good argument. Incidentally, I don't know that the DFB has abolished the offside rule. Did I miss something? But in my opinion there are also really good arguments for keeping it:
If a striker doesn't feel like running back anymore and is standing around in front, as a defender I don't feel like having to stand there all the time. Letting him stand around doesn't feel really good either. Without offside, the game changes, and what comes out of it can be seen very well on Fridays at the bollocks.
But the most important thing for me is something else:

We pretend we're the standard bearers of fair play. For me, that means that the most important thing is to have fun playing football together. To be honest, I think it's funny when we (in the old tradition, we've always done this) shoot the ball to the opposing team at the start of the game and then get into each other's hair over such things. Therefore, in my opinion, the solution cannot be to abolish the sideline, but rather we should find our way back to the position where we naturally want to win, but it is not so important that we argue about it.

P.S .: Incidentally, I find the offside rule useful, especially with a few players, because there are then many rooms on the pitch and you can otherwise no longer stand and play properly.

Posts: 130 | Member since: December 2016 | IP address: not savedMick2


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Created January 21, 2018 7:36 PM (# 4)   Quote PN e-mail
Offside or not offside, that is the question!
I would like to agree with Miguel's arguments.
If we play 9 against 9 or 10 against 10 or something like that, I don't care.
But with a smaller number of players, I find that on the LARGE course, which is just not that small, quite useful, especially with an unequal number of players, 5 against 6, 6 against 7, 7 against 8 and then the multiplayer can already afford to play in the To wait "offside" for the ball.
And if someone thinks they can see offside, maybe their point of view can simply be accepted. Nobody says out of sheer buzz, hopefully!
That’s clear in the cage, without being offside, and not in the small square beyond the gym either (but negotiable).
Getting upset - whether because of being offside or whatever - happens when everyone gets down again and treats each other a little bit self-critically.
And, dear Klaus, that about the goals is a weird argument, as a rule we score enough goals. We tend to have the problem that sometimes too many goals are scored on one side ...

Posts: 72 | Member since: December 2016 | IP address: not savedKlaus


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Created January 22, 2018 21:16 (# 5)   Quote PN e-mail
Nice point. Can too many goals be scored? I recently watched a handball game ...
Even with us in the cage or on the handball field there are significantly more goals. Is that a disadvantage?

It's good that there is no discussion about offside. Can a team allow themselves to leave a player empty on the handball court? I haven't noticed yet. Ok, I don't have the experience of the Bollocks, but I know the Lower Saxony Cup there is played according to DFB rules on the 7th field (across a large square on our goal size) and there is no offside and no one to rest in front .

But even if the better system should prevail, who needs rules if they only prevent them? Freedom for the striker

You could give it a try.
Although it would be a start to remove the offside from 15 players.

It is good and logical, and probably healthy, to urge nobody to get upset. Let's try it out. Are there any suggestions how we can teach those affected?

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Klaus

Posts: 33 | Member since: June 2017 | IP address: not savedTorsten


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Created January 24, 2018 4:15 PM (# 6)   Quote PN e-mail
I should actually shut up here because I haven't been there for so long. However, plan a come-back attempt for next Sunday. And so I don't hold it: Football without offside is like handball without a 7-meter circle, is like bowling without balls, is like skat without junk. Why should we trash the wisest of all football rules? Since we don't have a referee and don't want one, if in doubt, the players concerned should talk to each other AFTER THE SCENE IS COMPLETE whether it was offside or not. If that is too difficult for you, you might be wrong here?

Posts: 99 | Member since: February 2017 | IP address: not savedKarim


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30 Created January 25, 2018 12:31 AM (# 7)   Quote PN e-mail
I take Mick's one argument as an opportunity to propose another variant: offside rule only if the number of players is unequal, so that the surplus player does not stand in wait in front of the opposing goal; With the same number of players, trusting that inseparable pairs will be formed who look after each other.
Otherwise, I like to see it sporty to argue about diverging opinions, as long as objective argumentation and a respectful tone are sought. What I sometimes do not see realized - well, Fussi is just an emotional affair, in which you do not always succeed in everything according to your own standards - nevertheless ....

Posts: 23 | Member since: December 2016 | IP address: not savedKlaus


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Created January 25, 2018 21:18 (# 8)   Quote PN e-mail
Skat without junk is stupid. That would be like a nirvana weekend without a campfire, guitars and strawberry cups on the way back. So not at all.
Torsten, nice that you get back in.

But maybe there is still a life on the sidelines after all?

Where would humanity be if no one had dared to step out of their comfort zone ...?

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Klaus

Posts: 33 | Member since: June 2017 | IP address: not savedTosh


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Created on February 22, 2018 3:17 PM (# 9)   Quote PN e-mail
Since 1991, some people from the urban area have been meeting regularly on Fridays to play football, and since 1992 they have called themselves "Bollocks". In all the years, up to last week, there was never (in numbers: 0 times) played without an offside rule. And it should stay that way in the future. That would suit the lazy sack over there. For that reason alone, it will stay that way for the next 50 years.

Posts: 6 | Member since: October 2017 | IP address: not savedKlaus


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Created on February 24, 2018 8:50 AM (# 10)   Quote PN e-mail
Yeah, Tosh is alive! Nice to read something from you again. When will we be able to see you playing on Brehmweg again?

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Klaus

Posts: 33 | Member since: June 2017 | IP address: not savedTosh


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Created on February 24, 2018 6:25 PM (# 11)   Quote PN e-mail
"See" - that's the right keyword, Klaus. Actually, the plan was to show up again as soon as I can put on contact lenses. But will that still be something? I promise, I'll "stop by" in March.

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